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Old March 18th, 2003, 12:11 AM   #1
Nathan Stratton
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Blown Boxster S engine

I got my porsche guy to fax me my log from my engine and this is what it says:

10.03.2003
16:24:39
Boxster DME Vehicle data
Number of ignitions, range 1
65535 1176.5h
Number of ignitions, range 2
---
Operating hours counter
1178.7
Vehical Identification Nr.
WP0CB298XYU663124
type ID DME control unit
986SUS010
Order type
986320
Country code
C02
Engine type
9621
Engine number

Transmission type
G8620
transmission number
--
Radio/PCM code
02300
Body color/convertivle top color
92UA10
Interior equipment
AJ0
Number of programming operations
1
Navigation system
01723
M numbers
...
Z numbers
...
Exclusive numbers
...

10.03.2003
16:25:08
Boxster DME Fault memory
Number of faults: 4
P0300 Misfire detection

(total)
P0306 Misfire, cylinder 6
P0305 Misfire, cylinder 5
P0304 Misfire, cylinder 4

10.03.2003
16:25:18
Boxster DME Fault memory
P0300 Misfire detection

(total)
static
present
Lamp on

1st state: last state:
exceeds limit value exceeds limit value

Frequency: 1
Clear counter: 40
Fault time: 0 s
Check Engine on: SPECIAL CASE 000
Check Engine off: SPECIAL CASE 003

1st state: last state:
Rpm: 1080 ---- rpm
Relative charge: 32.25 0000 %
Fule level: ---- ----
Operate. hours counter: 1178.6 ---- h

OBD II code P0300

Freeze frame
O2 sensing, bank 1: Control, start condition

not met
02 sensing, bank 2: Control, start condition

not met
Load: 9.8 %
ECTS: 51 ^F
Oxygen sensing: 0.0 %
O2 sensing adaption: -0.8 %
O2 sensing, bank 2: 0.0 %
O2 sen. adap., bank 2 -0.8 %
Rpm: 1080 rpm
Speed: 0.00 mph

Fault enterd by: On-board diagnosis

10.03.2003
16:25:30
Boxster DME Fault memory
P0306 Misfire, cylinder 6
static
present
Lamp on

1st state: last state:
exceeds limit value exceeds limit value

Frequency: 1
Clear counter: 40
Fault time: 0 s
Check Engine on: SPECIAL CASE 000
Check Engine off: SPECIAL CASE 003

1st state: last state:
Rpm: 1080 ---- rpm
Relative charge: 32.25 0000 %
Fule level: ---- ----
Operate. hours counter: 1178.6 ---- h

OBD II code P0306

Freeze frame
O2 sensing, bank 1: Control, start condition

not met
02 sensing, bank 2: Control, start condition

not met
Load: 9.8 %
ECTS: 51 ^F
Oxygen sensing: 0.0 %
O2 sensing adaption: -0.8 %
O2 sensing, bank 2: 0.0 %
O2 sen. adap., bank 2 -0.8 %
Rpm: 1080 rpm
Speed: 0.00 mph

Fault enterd by: On-board diagnosis

10.03.2003
16:25:41
Boxster DME Fault memory
P0305 Misfire, cylinder 5
static
present
Lamp on

1st state: last state:
exceeds limit value exceeds limit value

Frequency: 1
Clear counter: 40
Fault time: 0 s
Check Engine on: SPECIAL CASE 000
Check Engine off: SPECIAL CASE 003

1st state: last state:
Rpm: 1080 ---- rpm
Relative charge: 32.25 0000 %
Fule level: ---- ----
Operate. hours counter: 1178.6 ---- h

OBD II code P0305

Freeze frame
O2 sensing, bank 1: Control, start condition

not met
02 sensing, bank 2: Control, start condition

not met
Load: 9.8 %
ECTS: 51 ^F
Oxygen sensing: 0.0 %
O2 sensing adaption: -0.8 %
O2 sensing, bank 2: 0.0 %
O2 sen. adap., bank 2 -0.8 %
Rpm: 1080 rpm
Speed: 0.00 mph

Fault enterd by: On-board diagnosis

10.03.2003
16:25:56
Boxster DME Fault memory
P0304 Misfire, cylinder 4
static
present
Lamp on

1st state: last state:
exceeds limit value exceeds limit value

Frequency: 1
Clear counter: 40
Fault time: 0 s
Check Engine on: SPECIAL CASE 000
Check Engine off: SPECIAL CASE 003

1st state: last state:
Rpm: 1000 ---- rpm
Relative charge: 33.00 0000 %
Fule level: ---- ----
Operate. hours counter: 1178.6 ---- h

OBD II code P0304

Freeze frame
O2 sensing, bank 1: Control, e.g. full load
02 sensing, bank 2: Control, e.g. full load
Load: 10.1 %
ECTS: 62 ^F
Oxygen sensing: 0.0 %
O2 sensing adaption: -0.8 %
O2 sensing, bank 2: 0.0 %
O2 sen. adap., bank 2 -0.8 %
Rpm: 1000 rpm
Speed: 0.00 mph

Fault enterd by: On-board diagnosis

So, can anyone help me with this? I have a bunch of question, first is this date 10.03.2003 when this was dumped? It is odd because my engine blew Mar 4, I wished this gave me the date of when this happend, but it looks like just when it was dumped on the 10th? Or is the clock just wrong on my car? When I talked to the dealer, they said that it looks like someone held down the gas or somehow did a downshift from high speed to get 65k ignitions over red line. To recap, I took my car to get the oil changed at Autobahn, they did a 15 min test drive (I was having some shifting porlbmes into 1st and 2nd) and said they did not find any problmes, then they changed the oil. I left about 4:30 and hit rush hour traffic on the beltway and never had the car about 40 mph. About 5 miles down the road the check engine light started flashing and the car lost power so I pulled over. The guy from Autobahn came over in his car and said yep, I have an engine problme. I had it towned to Autobahn, they charge med ~$500 for the tow and for doing engine tests before they said I should take it to the dealer. They had the car for a few days before they had it towed to Rockvill Porsche. I then paid then $300 to do the same tests and they said I have a blown engine, but I have 55,301 miles so there is nothing they can do. They want $8,472.02 to fix it or $11,374.55 to replace the engine.

I know that I never held down the gas or did a bad downshift and the computer shows NO other red line or other issues on the other 55,000 miles I had the car. I can't believe Autobahn would hurt my car, but the dealer says that someone did it and they test drove the car just before the problem. Anyway, I have been out of work for 11 months, so I dont have the cash to fix this so I need to get Porsche to fix it (so far no word) or sue Autobahn.

-Nathan




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Old March 18th, 2003, 10:47 AM   #2
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What about your insurance?

Can they assist you in covering this at all?

That really sucks what you are going through, I am very, very sorry.
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Old March 18th, 2003, 12:39 PM   #3
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Blown Boxster S engine

Yes, it does suck in a major way. I am currently unemploied so I don't have the 12K to fix it. They say that parts for a valve job are only 2400 so I may try to do this myself. I rebuilt the engine in my 77 Suburban, but I am not sure if a Porsche engine requires any special tools or computer to rebuild.




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Old March 18th, 2003, 02:43 PM   #4
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about 65535

In layman's terms 65535 is one of several special limiting numbers in computer systems that usually mean something other than simply their numeric value. 65535 is the largest number possible in an unsigned 32-bit value, and it can also represent the value "-1", when it is interpreted as a signed 32-bit value. So when the computer says there were 65535 ignitions, it really means that either a) overflow: there were many more than 65535 ignitions and the computer maxed out counting that many, or b) special meaning: the ignition count is negative one, which probably has a special meaning such as an error condition or other state, or could even mean that the counter is uninitialized etc.
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Old March 18th, 2003, 02:55 PM   #5
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(minor correction)

Oops, I meant to say "16-bit value", not "32-bit value"! Same conclusions apply.
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Old March 18th, 2003, 06:26 PM   #6
Larry Nakamura (In SJ)
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If you can prove the car has been

mantained properly (to Porsche's suggested maintenance), then
you might be able to go directly to Porsche to argue for a new
engine. A high end car's engine should last alot longer then
50K miles. Are you the original owner, do you have the records
to show servicing? Sorry to hear about trouble with your
Boxster. Have you tried to contact Porsche yourself yet?
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Old March 18th, 2003, 10:44 PM   #7
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Some answers

I can even figure out some of the info from you long post. You have a 2000 S. You must have more than 50k miles so the 4 year warranty is technically gone. You raido and color codes and other useless info is shown. The date of your printout is March 10, 2003. Your motor has 1,178.7 operating hours. This not hours on a watch. You last ignition in range 1 was 2.2 operating hours, long before the misfire which is .1 hour. 65,535 ignitions means nothing. More so since your last one was over 2 hours b/f the misfire. You have zero in range 2.

I went to the Cayenne intro today at my local dealer and showed your print out to our local Boxster expert. You need to call Porsche directly as your dealer is not going to bat for you on what should be a routine motor replacement. I only understand about 10% of what Boxsterpro said.

You have misfires on 3 cylinders - same bank. Frequency is 1 so it was a one time event. Our expert thinks your intermediate shaft bearing went out - but there is only one way to find out for sure.

Do not see how the test drive or the oil change has anything to do with an engine failure - coincidence. Plus your misfires were 2.1 operating hours after the last range 1 ignition - so the damage to your motor could not even have happened on a 15 minute test drive if it was due to revs in range 1.

Go to Porsche directly and get them involved. Intermediate shaft bearing failure are known to happen because Porsche made the bearing smaller on the newer cars. Report back. Jeff
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Old March 19th, 2003, 07:20 AM   #8
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Blown Boxster S engine

Interesting, how are is it to replace the shift baring myself? The dealer gave me a est based on doing a full valve job at 2400 for parts and over 5K for labor. I have contacted Porsche, but if they don't fix it because I have 55,301 miles I may need to try to do it myself.




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Old March 19th, 2003, 08:47 AM   #9
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Another example of why Tool Pants is THE BEST

And to think that one key reason The BABBLERS Board "has him" is because the elitists OTB didn't appreciate his style (didn't pass muster with the censors).

In any event, TP's advice to you is very valuable - I'd put it at several thousand dollars and if you follow it, it should result in your getting a new engine.

Run, don't walk, to follow his advice. And keep him posted. He will continue to help you. There's nothing like having Tool Pants on your side.

By the way, I did a Google search on "Tool Pants Boxster" and this is the first hit that came up (he is everywhere):

986 Forum - Performance and Technical chat
... Brake wear, MO BXTR, 2, 40, 12-23-2002 15:51 by Tool Pants, Go to last post.
Should our Boxster have better braking performance? CharlesGordon, 0, 25, ...
www.986forum.com/forums/ forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=11 - 72k - Cached - Similar pages

This is not Tool Pants:




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Old March 19th, 2003, 01:02 PM   #10
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Re: Blown Boxster S engine

I do not know where you are but my local dealer would have already ordered a replacement engine. If it is what it sounds like then you have internal damage and it is not enough just to replace a bearing. Even the mechanics would not be opening the motor to attempt a repair, and you want to do this yourself?

One of our local guys, Carlos, is getting a replacement motor on his 1998, and he is 3 years out of warranty. Your 2000 is 5,301 out of warranty and your dealer is not going to bat for you? Something is wrong. The dealer makes more money if you pay then if it is treated as a warranty replacement - and that may be what is going on here. Who is the dealer by the way - must be in the DC area since you mentioned the beltway.

I trust you called 1-800-PORSCHE. Report back once they get involved. Trying to figure out the next step is a waste of time until Porsche determines if they are going to replace it or not
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