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Old July 26th, 2001, 02:26 PM   #1
Magic Mtn Dan
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Last call for group order of Pollen Filter (Charcoal version)...

This filter used to list for about $85.00!!!

It now lists for $34.24

The paper Pollen Filter lists for $25.32

I'm ordering the Charcoal Pollen Filters tomorrow - price is $25.50 each plus your portion of the incoming UPS cost (probably a buck or two at most). If you're not in the Bay Area, I'll be glad to UPS it out to you if you want to participate in this group order.

E-mail me TODAY if you want in. I'm placing the order with Porsche tomorrow.

Related...

In celebration of our (Tom Morris and I) 2000 Boxster S's hitting 15,000 miles, we got together with a number of BABBLERS recently and changed our Porsches' oil and oil filters.

Tom and I flushed our brakes replacing the ATE Gold with ATE Blue (a higher temperature brake fluid).

The one remaining item to replace is the interior (passenger compartment NOT the engine air filter) air filter. Our S's came with paper filters and we're going to replace them with the genuine Porsche Charcoal filters.
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Old July 26th, 2001, 03:37 PM   #2
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Count me in please

Is the charcoal better filtering than paper?

Andrew
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Old July 26th, 2001, 05:10 PM   #3
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Activated Charcoal vs. Paper Filter

I've received a number of questions on this - here's what I can tell you...

"On the strength of their high adsorption capacity, activated charcoal filters are used widely for cleaning gases and liquids.
In water treatment, they are used to eliminate dissolved substances such as chlorinated hydrocarbons that are not retained by the other treatment steps (flocculation, sand filtration). The efficiency of activated charcoal filters is monitored with photometric absorption measurement at ultraviolet wavelengths (254 nm), because most of the organic substances occurring in the raw water exhibit strong absorption at this wavelength."

I couldn't find anything on the Web nearly as complicated as this when describing the properties of paper filters.

Therefore, I must conclude (smile)" WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=1

"Activated charcoal (activated carbon) filters have been used in homes to remove taste and odor. Taste and odor, although undesirable, are generally not considered unhealthy. In recent years, however, activated charcoal filters have been used to remove some of the contaminants that have been discovered in water supplies.

Activated charcoal is most effective at removing organic compounds such as volatile organic compounds, pesticides and benzene. It can also remove some metals, chlorine and radon. As with any treatment system, it cannot remove all possible drinking water contaminants.

Because activated charcoal systems are limited in the types of compounds they can effectively remove, it is essential that the homeowner determine which water contaminants are present before purchasing such a system. Anyone who suspects they have a water quality problem should first have their water analyzed by their local health department or a reputable laboratory. These analyses are costly, but worth the expense since they are necessary to determine the appropriate home treatment system and how best to operate such a system. A state or local health official can interpret water analysis results. Some laboratories may also provide this service.

Note that home water treatment is considered only a temporary solution. The best solutions to a contaminated drinking water problem are to either end the practices causing the contamination or change water sources. Activated charcoal is a black solid substance resembling granular or powdered charcoal. It is extremely porous with a very large surface area. Certain contaminants accumulate on the surface of the activated charcoal in a process called adsorption. The two main reasons that chemicals adsorb onto activated charcoal are a "dislike" of the water, and attraction to the activated charcoal. Many organic compounds, such as chlorinated and non- chlorinated solvents, gasoline, pesticides and tri-halo-methane can be adsorbed by activated charcoal. Activated charcoal is effective in removing chlorine and moderately effective in removing some heavy metals. Activated charcoal will also remove metals that are bound to organic molecules. It is important to note that charcoal is not necessarily the same as activated charcoal. Activated charcoal removes vastly more contaminants from water than does ordinary charcoal.

Home activated charcoal treatment systems are quite simple. The activated charcoal is normally packaged in filter cartridges that are inserted into the purification device. Water needing treatment passes through the cartridge, contacting the activated charcoal on its way to the faucet. Activated charcoal filters eventually become fouled with contaminants and lose their ability to adsorb pollutants. At this time, they need to be replaced. Activated charcoal treatment systems are typically point of use installed where they typically treat water used for drinking and cooking only. Activated charcoal filters can be placed on the end of the faucet, on the countertop, or under the sink. Point of use systems often have a bypass so that water for purposes other than drinking and cooking can also be dispensed at the tap without being treated. This increases the life of the activated charcoal, reducing the time between filter replacements.

A point of entry system is more appropriate if a contaminant is present that poses a health threat from general use as well as from consumption. Volatile organic compounds and radon are examples of this type of contaminant. These contaminants may get into the indoor air when water is used for showering and washing. In this case, it is more economical to have a large pint of entry system that treats water as it enters the home than to have point of use systems at each tap.

Activated charcoal filters used for home water treatment contain either granular activated charcoal or powdered block charcoal. The amount of activated charcoal in a filter is one of the most important characteristics affecting the amount and rate of pollutant removal. More charcoal in a cartridge means more capacity for chemical removal, resulting in longer cartridge lifetime. This means fewer cartridge changes and less chance of drinking contaminated water. Particle size will also affect the rate of removal; smaller activated charcoal particles generally show higher adsorption rates. Rust, scale, sand or other sediments can clog any activated charcoal filter. A solution to this problem is to place foam or cotton filters (often called sediment or fiber filters) between the cartridge and incoming water. When sediment filters become clogged, they need to be replaced or they will cause water pressure to drop.

An activated charcoal filter must be deep enough so that the pollutants will adsorb to the activated charcoal in the time it takes the water to move through the filter. The appropriate filter depth depends on the flow rate of water through the filter. The slower the flow rate, the better the removal. The poor performance of some end of faucet devices is probably due to improper filter depth.

Physical and chemical characteristics of the water will also affect performance. The acidity and temperature can be important. Greater acidity and lower water temperatures tend to improve the performance of activated charcoal filters. Activated charcoal filters have a limited lifetime. Eventually, the surface of the activated charcoal will be saturated with adsorbed pollutants and no further purification will occur. This is called breakthrough; the pollutants have broken through the filter to emerge in the treated water. When this occurs, it is possible that the contaminant concentrations in the treated water will be even higher than those in the untreated water. At this time, the cartridge needs to be replaced. Knowing when breakthrough will occur and thus when to replace the cartridge is a major problem with activated charcoal treatment.

Some cartridges are sold with predictions about their longevity. These are generally only crude estimates since they do not take into consideration factors that are characteristic to a specific water source, such as pollutant concentration. The retailer you purchase the treatment device from can make better estimates of the filter's useful lifetime based on water usage (flow rate) and pollutant concentrations shown in the chemical analysis. Hence, to get the most accurate estimates, you should learn what these amounts are before purchasing the system. Note that if pollutant concentrations increase over time and testing is not performed to reveal this change, such estimates may turn out to be not very practical or useful.

Unfortunately, activated charcoal filters can be excellent places for bacteria to grow. Conditions for bacterial growth are best when the filter is saturated with organic contaminants, which supply the food source for the bacteria, and when the filter has not been used for a long period of time. It is still unclear whether the bacteria growing on the charcoal poses a health threat. Some manufacturers have placed silver in the activated charcoal in order to prevent the growth of bacteria. The effectiveness of this procedure has not been independently verified. In addition, silver may contaminate the drinking water.

The above considerations have led public health officials to consider activated charcoal home treatment a temporary solution to be used only until the source of contamination can be eliminated and the water supply is safe. Even with proper installation, maintenance and operation, malfunction of home water treatment systems can occur.

Activated Charcoal Filter Guidelines

Make sure the filter contains activated charcoal.
Know the quantity of activated charcoal in the filter since this will determine the amount and rate of pollutant removal.
Use pre-filter to add life to activated charcoal filters.
Replace pre-filters and activated charcoal filters regularly.
Determine appropriate intervals for replacement of activated charcoal filters based on contaminant concentration, water characteristics, water flow rate, depth of filter, type and amount of activated charcoal and prefilter. Retailers can help in this analysis."
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Old July 26th, 2001, 05:58 PM   #4
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Re: Last call for group order of Pollen Filter (Charcoal version)...

I'll take one Dan, if you please
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Old July 26th, 2001, 06:26 PM   #5
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What is the half-life of the Activated Charcoal?

Seriously though, how often are you supposed to replace the paper filter? or the AC filter?

Nice explanation on Carbon filters by the way...and why the heck doesn't an S come with activated carbon to begin with?
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Old July 26th, 2001, 06:29 PM   #6
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Re: What is the half-life of the Activated Charcoal?

All I know is when it's dirty replace it. (smile)" WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=1

It used to be $85.00 list. Porsche didn't become the most profitable car company in the world by giving away $85.00 Pollen filters so that, I'm sure, explains why their cars came with paper.
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Old July 26th, 2001, 06:37 PM   #7
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I dont know why but can I get one

I'm just going to follow you guys with this whole filter thing since the "investment" isnt that bad. So Dan save one for me.
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Old July 26th, 2001, 07:09 PM   #8
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But I don't get water from my Boxster... *NM*

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Old July 27th, 2001, 02:28 PM   #9
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Count me in please *NM*

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